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The Pope Benedict XVI Fan Club invites your participation in our open, yet civil and (hopefully) respectful discussion of topics by and about Pope Benedict XVI and general issues in Catholic faith & theology. Members, please acquaint yourself with our FORUM RULES -- failure to abide by the rules will result in warnings from the moderator and possible expulsion by the management.
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daniellevergne |
Re: deeper explanations to Gloria's Gifts | #41 | ||
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i dont know; i dont like this new hat, it looks like the pere noel; but if its a ancient traditionnal hat so okay...but his hair are hidden and its sad
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PaxTibi |
Re: Papal clothing | #42 | ||
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I have to say I'm not too fond of the camauro - it really doesn't suit Papa. According to one of our local TV stations (SABC 3) the Vatican issued a statement explaining why he was wearing what looked like a Santa hat. Apart from the explanation regarding the camauro they said that he was wearing it because he had caught a cold the previous week (which I found worrying
Also, it saddens me a little that Papa would wear fur. I'm not a foaming at the mouth PETA supporter, but I was a little disappointed. On the other hand I suppose he doesn't really have a choice, especially if it was a gift, and fake fur would definitely be a bit tacky. |
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foster2cats |
Re: Papal clothing | #43 | ||
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In pictures I've seen of previous popes in camauros, the hat looked a little more close fitting - like a helmet - instead of the one B16 wore most recently which looked a bit like a ski/Santa cap. Perhaps its time to start a new papal tradition - I think a white beret would be nice. He's used to wearing berets.
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benefan |
Re: Papal clothing | #44 | ||
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In our continuing discussion of the camauro in the English section of the Italian forum (Papa Ratzinger Forum), the white beret idea seems to be the favorite alternative to the camauro although I personally think Papa looks really cute in the quilted white baseball cap from Mt. Blanc. A bit informal but what a crowd pleaser that would be and it looks a lot more masculine than the camauro. And it shows his beautiful hair. Shouldn't hide one's light under a basket or even a camauro.
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Benodette |
Pope Benedict's Interesting Hat | #45 | ||
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The camauro is back again today. This article appeared on 21st December.
Well, here's something you don't see everyday: the current Pope looking suspiciously like Kris Kringle. Today, Pope Benedict XVI arrived for his weekly audience in St. Peter's Square wearing a red cape and red hat trimmed with ermine. To onlookers, it appeared that Santa Claus had just arrived. His bold move sent historians scurrying to figure out the name of the mysterious chapeau and its Medieval origins www.mediacynic.com/cgi-bi...ic=1221051 |
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mag6nideum |
Re: Pope Benedict's Interesting Hat | #46 | ||
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Forgive my total ignorance, but who/what is Kris Kringle?
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galantarie |
"Kris Kringle" | #47 | ||
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"Kris Kringle" is the totally pagan version of Saint Nicholas, or his anglicized modern-equivalent of Santa [Saint] Claus
[nicK-'claus].... Someone else, a gentleman of Spanish origin, asked me the same thing today!!! Before that, I thought everyone knew "Kris Kringle" !: Liechtenstein, December 1867. Otto Grinch, Ebeneezer Scrooge and Kris Kringle celebrate a deal with the devil for immortality. Come each and every holiday season ever after the world would not be left in peace and instead be victim to the tiresome machinations of this cruel and heartless triad. ![]() DAYS OF OUR LIVES "FAUSTIAN GREETINGS" www.dazeofourlives.com/991209.htm Does this prove to any of you that the secularization of Christmas is Satanic??? Remember our Papa's first Christmas address! At least, the less volatile version of "Santa Claus" looks a bit like a monk: ![]() or, "Father Christmas" [who was based on St. Nicholas, Bishop of Nurcia*]: ![]() ![]() (A Vatican insider said: "The Pope was told it was cold outside and he said he had just the thing. He came out holding the hat and said he would wear it. He even joked that it made him look like Father Christmas.") You can note that the original depictions of "Fr. Christmas" or "Santa Claus", does not reveal a glutonous "fat-man" ![]() [that was the beginning of the vice-filled prankster, who became known as "Kris Kringle": who would put coal in children's stockings, and do other mean things to make children cry!]. Surely this would scare any child: ![]() The idea of his " elves" as his helpers, too! The next may be a little tamer; but where is Christ in all this? Besides, "Mr. Claus" is not in the warmth of the Mediterannean...[remember Bari*]; but is now in the freezing North Pole!!! ![]() ![]() ![]() _______________________________________________________________ *the real St. Nicholas lived in a warm, sunny town on the Mediterranean Sea -- in what is now Turkey. St. Nicholas was born in the town of Patara in 245 A.D. When he was young, his father died and left Nicholas a great fortune. Instead of spending it on himself, Nicholas started anonymously giving the money to the needy, especially children. Nicholas eventually became the Bishop of Myra (modern-day Demre in Turkey), where he performed several miracles, including saving sailors from drowning and resurrecting three boys who had been killed by an evil butcher. ["Magnificat" (monthly missal) ran a beautiful reading of this true, but gory story; and subsequently of St. Nicholas' three resurrections of the murdered boys found in lard-barrels, a few years back.] Today, St. Nicholas is the patron saint of children, sailors, teachers, students and merchants. But the most famous St. Nicholas story led to the legend of Santa Claus. A nobleman who lived with his three daughters had fallen on hard times. The daughters had no chance of marriage, since their father could not pay their dowries. One night, St. Nicholas threw a sack of gold through a window of the nobleman's shabby castle, which was enough for one daughter's marriage. The next night, he tossed another sack of gold through the window for the second daughter. But on the third night, the window was closed. So, St. Nicholas climbed onto the roof and dropped the sack down the chimney. The next morning, the daughters found the gold in the stockings they had hung to dry by the fireplace. Hence the tradition of hanging stockings on Christmas Eve, awaiting a visit from St. Nick. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- P.S. Am I actually the only one who really likes Papa's camauro???????? "I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."
[Ratzinger:"Salt of the Earth"] May Our Papa's radiant-light continuously shine forth to illuminate Christ for the world! |
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Imladris |
Re: Papal clothing | #48 | ||
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Even though the camauro hat thing is funny-looking on him, I like to see Papa's head being covered up as much as possible in the chilly weather, that's the important thing.
At some point, these outdoor audiences will have to be moved inside, one would think, no? Now, if only he would put on some warm (white) gloves too... ~Imladris~
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Dinabella |
Re: Papal clothing | #49 | ||
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Papa should keep warm and comfortable. We don't want him to catch up a cold. The camauro hat looks so fluffy and it keeps him warm, which is good.
Yes, I thought, at these temperatures they are moving inside with the GA. But I guess all the pilgrims won't fit into the audience hall. Maybe that's the reason why it's still at St. Peter's ? |
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mag6nideum |
Re: Papal clothing | #50 | ||
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@ GALANTARIE: re: Kris Kringle
Many thanks, Galantarie for the interesting, informative answer to my ignorant question. But why compare him to this Kris.....oi!!! |
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Nadezda 072 |
Re: Papal clothing | #51 | ||
Quote: Yes, in his age especcially, it is the most impportant thing to keep the head warmed up. According to the RAI 2 report, there were 30 000 pilgrims present at the yesterday's GA! What a figure! If it continues that way after the festive days it wouldn' t be possible to keep the audiences inside. |
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galantarie |
Numbers | #52 | ||
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Figures you gave, "Nadezda 072", are wrong....
For "Midnight Mass" about 31,000 applied to be in St. Peter's; only 11,000 could be seated inside! For last Wednesday's General Audience, there were 110,000 in attendance! Spluring into the streets of Rome...outside of the Vatican's boundaries!!! Ofcourse, such crowds cannot fit anywhere's indoors!!! "I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."
[Ratzinger:"Salt of the Earth"] May Our Papa's radiant-light continuously shine forth to illuminate Christ for the world! |
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lapiranja |
Re: Numbers | #53 | ||
Quote: @Imladris I think there are far too many pilgrims to get them into Hall Paul VI. And Papa doesn't want to disappoint them, he rather stands the cold. |
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Benodette |
Re: Dressed for Christmas | #54 | ||
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During the Advent and Christmas period we saw Pope Benedict wearing some of the lovely liturgical vestments which help to capture the splendour and glory of Christmas.
Beginning with First Vespers on November 26th when he appeared magnificent in purple and gold, and ending with the Te Deum and the Mass on the first day of the New Year, we have seen an array of beautiful vestments. Here are some of them in detail. 26th November First Vespers. ![]() For First Vespers Papa wore this glittering cope of imperial purple and gold with a golden mitre. A beautiful clasp of gold and enamel, showing the Agnus Dei, held the cope in place. He wore a different pectoral cross rubies set in gold instead of the emeralds he often wears on grand occasions. Dec 8th Visit to the Virgin at the Spanish Steps ![]() On the feast of the Immaculate Conception we saw the revival of the Ermine trimmed mozzetta. ![]() Papa wore the fur trimmed mozzetta to travel to the statue of the Virgin near the Spanish steps. Detail of the stole ![]() Dec 18th visit to Roman parish of Santa Maria Consolatrice ![]() Here we see Papa splendid in a purple chasuble on a visit to his old titular church. Dec 21st The GA and the Camauro ![]() At GA we saw the revival of the dreaded camauro. Apparently a gift (together with the ermine trimmed mozzetta) from Gloria Thurn und Taxis and Alessandra Borghese, Pope Benedict has so far appeared in public twice wearing the ermine trimmed camauro. Some people like it and others like it less.. Dec 24th - Midnight Mass ![]() This golden chasuble embroidered with fish, which Papa wore at Midnight Mass, captures the joy and splendour of Christmas. ![]() The mitre is beautifully embroidered with pearls and semi-precious stones. Detail of mitre ![]() Dec 25th The Urbi et Orbi ![]() For the Urbi et Orbi Papa wore an antique cope with an elaborate blue and gold enamelled clasp over his alb and his emerald pectoral cross. ![]() The girdle around his waist is a cincture and holds the stole in place. The golden mitre, embroidered with seed pearls, is the same one he wore at his Installation. ![]() He owned this mitre as a Cardinal, and the Arms of the Cardinal can still be seen on the ribbons at the back. Detail of the Mitre ![]() December 31st Te Deum ![]() At the Te Deum Papa wore the white cope we saw at Corpus Domine in May, with a heavy silver and gold clasp. ![]() He is also wearing yet another pectoral cross from his collection. ![]() The glittering gold mitre was the same as the one worn at First Vespers. Jan 1st - Mass on New Years Day ![]() For mass on 1st January the chasuble was pure white with a golden bee motive. The mitre is the same one worn at Midnight Mass. ![]() |
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Nadezda 072 |
Re: Dressed for Christmas | #55 | ||
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Benodette, thank you for the minutial and wonderfully illustrated retrospective of the papal vestments during the significant liturgical period of Advent and Christmas.
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Marybenedict |
Re: Dressed for Christmas | #56 | ||
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Super photos, Benodette! Papa's cope on Christmas Day was nearly as breathtakingly gorgeous as he himself is.
Imladris- I, too, thought Papa's hands must be cold. So who's good at knitting gloves? I can only knit scarves, because they are straight Though the camauro may not suit Papa and, indeed, covers that beautiful hair, it's the renewal of a Medieval tradition that I like. I know how benefan feels about it! Not to worry, Pax Tibi, he hadn't caught a cold the previous week - I watch for news like that and I'd have known, be assured!!!! hee hee hee. I've got the cold remedies all packed up and ready to send, if necessary. Prosit Neujahr! Love, Mary x "Living in fear of God frees the heart from all fear and immerses it in the depths of His love" Benedict XVI
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ladihosen |
Re: Dressed for Christmas | #57 | ||
![]() I love this one. I think of mothers and grandmothers all over the frostier parts of the world lecturing children to not forget to wear a hat -- "because it's cold out and you'll catch cold!" The pope learned to listen to mama when he was a child. |
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gracelp |
Re: Dressed for Christmas | #58 | ||
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lovely pics!!
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Imladris |
Re: Dressed for Christmas | #59 | ||
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Marybenedict - though it would be nice to knit him a warm pair of gloves made by yourself, he should already have a pair somewhere in his wardrobe closet. Unless he doesn't like wearing gloves or he feels that he doesn't need to wear them, I think he owns a pair but probably doesn't use them because of his papal ring. But someone really ought to persuade him. This is very important papal business! (uhh, GG, are you reading this??)
~Imladris~
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TERESA BENEDETTA |
PICTURE BAN OVER??? | #60 | ||
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I TAKE IT THE BAN ON USE OF COPYRIGHTED PICTURES
IN THIS FORUM IS OVER???? |
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