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Benodette |
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Thank you Palma for a very nice picture of the young Professor Ratzinger.
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rcesq |
Dana, Irish Singer and Euro-Politician Met the Cardinal | #262 | |||||
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Apparently New York is planning a "Concert of Hope" before the Mass in Yankee Stadium. Among the performers is Dana, an Irish
singer who was Ireland's representative to the European Parliament. Pope2008.com has a short story about her meeting with Cardinal
Ratzinger:
Dana on "The Concert of Hope" and Pope Benedict |
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rcesq |
Msgr. Walter Brugger Remains a Close Friend of the Pope | #263 | |||||
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Benodette found this reminiscence by a fellow seminarian and good friend of the Ratzingers a while ago. Here's the translation. My
apologies for the delay.
Freising (DK) There are hours, minutes and seconds that you never forget. That burn themselves into your memory for the rest of your life. Msgr. Walter Brugger experienced such a moment on April 19 2005, to be precise at exactly 4:64 p.m.: The announcement "Habemus Papam" sounds from the television and Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger steps onto the balcony of St. Peter's basilica. "To be honest, I was almost a little shocked," says the priest with the merry brown eyes. "I thought, now he has no more time to be a private person." The thought immediately followed: "I've lost a friend." In the meantime the 78-year old clergyman has learned better. Nowadays, Brugger lives as curate in the Wies, a small pilgrims church north of Freising. For the papal election he congratulated the friend of his student days quite formally with the usual form of address [for a Pope]. But the Pope promptly replied with the form of greeting he's used for more than 50 years: "Dear Walter . . . " Benedict XVI sticks to the "du" [the informal mode of address]. For Brugger it is a "sign of great noblesse." The first personal meeting in Rome after the election took place in the same vein. "I am very nervous," Brugger confessed to the one-and-a-half year older Pope. He just grinned and opined: "that will soon wear off." And the ice was broken and the ties of this longstanding, developed friendship proved to be stronger than the burden of the Holy Chair. That was also the case, when Brugger celebrated the 50th anniversary of his priestly ordination in the beginning of July 2006 in Rome. During the common evening meal, the Wies-curate tells, "immediately an unbelievable friendliness prevailed." Just like three years earlier at Brugger's 75th birthday: the Curia Cardinal came especially from Rome and in Freising gave one of his famous homilies: without a manuscript, polished, ready for printing. For most people the private Pope is a book with seven seals. Not so for Walter Brugger: the life paths of the monsignor and Benedict XVI have crossed time and again since the beginning of the 50s. Their origins also connect the two men. Ratzinger grew up in Chiemgau, Brugger in Rupertiwinkel. Temporarily transferred, both next attend the boys' seminary in Traunstein: Ratzinger still during the war, Brugger starting at the end of 1945. Shortly before the end of the war both are drafted into the Flak: "I defended Salzburg - as a 16 year old," Brugger recalls ironically, but by no means embittered by his lost youth at the front. In Laufen on the Salzach river, Brugger was actually supposed to take over the parental tobacco store, which is why he attended a trade school. For the young man the path to faith was also not easy. "I could handle the Flak-guns, but not the fragments of Latin." He was actually "nearly too old," for the Traunstein boys seminary in 1945. But the desire to slip into the chasuble was stronger for the late vocation. "At the time we understood for the first time, what a life is in and with the Church. It was like rain that falls on dusty ground," he recalls. In 1950 he began his studies in Freising. Ratzinger at the time was right before his priestly ordination, which he received in 1951. At the time, Brugger not only got to know Ratzinger himself, but also his parents. The Pope's mother in particular made an impression on him: "A simple, modest woman. I adored her." In 1954 Ratzinger became lecturer in dogmatics and fundamental theology in Freising. Among the students he is feared for his highly demanding test questions. For example: If there were life on other planets, could Christ also free the inhabitants of those distant heavenly bodies of original sin. "First he was my tutor, then my professor," Brugger recalls and says with a slight wink, "he wasn't strict." Bonn, Muester, Tuebingen: Ratzinger's path travels in the theological sciences. After priestly ordination, Brugger became the chaplain in St. Oswald in Traunstein. There he meets the third in the group from Freisinger days: Papal brother Georg, who is the choir director in the parish and later cathedral choirmaster in Regensburg. A period of close ties of friendship with Joseph Ratzinger follows, who regularly spends the semester holidays in Traunstein, "That's when he offered me the 'du.'" In 1962 Brugger returns to the priest's seminary in Freising as lecturer. From 1968 to 1982 he's the pastor in Freising St. Georg. And his path crosses Joseph Ratzinger's again, who is Archbishop of Munich and Freising from 1977 to 1982. At the time Brugger feared for the first time: "now it's over with the 'Du.'" It turned out differently. The friendship remained despite Ratzinger's career advancements. During breaks at diaconal conferences again and again the two men would play Schafkopfrennen [a traditional Bavarian card game with points like bridge]. "He plays well, but extremely carefully," Brugger grins. Once, with an impudent knave [jack], the pastor turned around a completely unpromising hand. "Up to today he hasn't let me forget it." There once again Ratzinger's Bavarian roots show up. Now as Pope, Brugger says with regret, "he wouldn't have time for such a thing." Apparently priests commonly play this Bavarian card game, as this cartoon shows:
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Unicorn |
Msgr. Walter Brugger Remains a Close Friend of the Pope | #264 | |||||
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Rcesq, my thanks go to both you and Benodette for this lovely, lovely story.
True friends are the treasure of a lifetime, and it is wonderful that Il Papa has one in Msgr. Brugger, and vice-versa. I cannot help but wish that the good
monsignor could join the Ratzinger brothers at Bressanone this April, and perhaps they can once again have a few rounds of Schafkopfrennen, as in the "old days". I like the look of him -- those are rather mischievous eyes, and I can well
imagine the many, many cheerful times Msgr. Brugger shared with the Ratzingers. I particularly like the fact that he clearly was very fond of Frau Ratzinger
-- it's the mark of how close his friendship is with Il Papa that he has such affectionate memories of the Ratzingers' mother.
Please don't apologize for any "delays" in your translation. You are a busy person, and I think I speak for everyone when I say that we are grateful for the time and effort you put into these translations. Proud to be Papist! "Each of us is the result of a thought of God. Each of us is willed, each of us is loved ..." - Benedict XVI "He knocks at the door, he is close to us and thus true joy is close, which is stronger than all the sorrows in the world, and in our life." - Benedict XVI |
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mag6nideum |
Re: Msgr Brugger | #265 | |||||
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A lovely story. Thanks rcesq for the translation. Msgr Brugger is said to be curate of the Wies in this article. Would that be the famous
Wies Kirche in Bayern, one of the Rococo jewels in Europe? If so, perhaps someone could post a photo of that church? |
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rcesq |
Die Wies and Msgr. Walter Brugger | #266 | |||||
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German architect Dominikus Zimmermann designed the ornate rococo interior of the Die Wies pilgrimage church near Munich, Germany, constructed between 1745 and 1754. The complexities of the church's interior contrast sharply with the plain exterior of the building.
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Benodette |
Die Wies and Msgr. Walter Brugger | #267 | |||||
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Many thanks for the translation Rcesq. This nice man appears to be as modest as his friend the Pope. His first thoughts on hearing the news
"I thought, now he has no more time to be a private person" and that he had lost a friend are touching. Also, with every promotion, he thought that
the familiar relationship between them might have to be curtailed. How fortunate that was not so and that Father Brugger was able to celebrate the 50th
anniversary of his ordination with the Pope in Rome.
The church is gorgeous - just like a very grand ballroom and perfect for a heavenly party. |
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mag6nideum |
Re: Wies Kirche | #268 | |||||
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Well, thanks rcesq for posting these super pictures! How I'd like to be able to hear that organ. Yes, heavenly super-abundance is
certainly suggested here. Twenty years ago I had to work in Martoberdorf, Bavaria, for a few days. Someone tried to go and show me the Wies Kirche, but there
was just no time for the trip. Needless to say, I can now pull my hair out because of this lost opportunity.
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Benodette |
Priest recalls time with Ratzinger before he became pope | #269 | |||||
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Newsday - Every Friday for eight months, Msgr. Charles Guarino sat face to face with the man who shortly would become pope - Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger then,
Pope Benedict XVI now.
Guarino, a canon lawyer with the Diocese of Rockville Centre, was dispatched to Rome to help handle everything from annulments to the church sex abuse scandal. Ratzinger was his boss. Guarino, 66, recalls the pope as a shy, brilliant man, despite his reputation as the church's doctrinal "enforcer" when he headed the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, where the Long Islander worked for two years. "He's not the type of person that goes around shaking everybody's hand. But if you wanted to talk to him ... he was always very receptive," said Guarino, who is now back on Long Island. Noting the pope's fluency in languages including Spanish, French, Italian, Portuguese and English, he said: "He has this linguistic ability and intelligence that is far beyond anything I've ever seen." Guarino was tapped by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops in September 2004 to work at the congregation in Rome amid the sex scandal that rocked the church. The following April in the midst of his two-year assignment, his boss suddenly became pope. Guarino said he and other priests from the congregation were visited by Benedict XVI the day after he was named to the church's highest post. "He was beaming," Guarino recalled. "I think he saw it as God's will. I doubt he ever had a second guess about it." Priest recalls time with Ratzinger before he became pope |
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Benodette |
A Stinging Encounter | #270 | |||||
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This was a stinging encounter for Brian Ross, the ABC reporter, when he tried to question Cardinal Ratzinger about Father Maciel in 2002. The Cardinal lost his cool and seemed to smack the reporter on the wrist, declaring,"You come to me when the moment is given, but not yet." It shows that Papa Ratzinger, even with his winning smile and soft voice, is no pushover. His brother, Monsignor Ratzinger, can be seen and heard behind him encouraging him to get in the car. On reflection, this is probably an incident the Cardinal would rather have not happened, especially with the cameras rolling. ABC aired it again on 15th April, as part of a segment on the abuse issue, with Brian Ross reporting. The Pope's timely remarks on the aircraft fortunately dulled its impact. |
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mag6nideum |
Re: A stinging encounter | #271 | |||||
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Oh lovely!
By the way, what an elegant slap. I think he was actually aiming at the paper and not the reporter's hand. Good thing he missed. I don't trust people who never become angry. Thanks for sharing, Benodette. Now we have the full picture. |
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letmel |
A stinging encounter | #272 | |||||
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Good for you Cardinal Ratzinger , that reporter asked for it . . Thank you Benodette ! |
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Unicorn |
A Stinging Encounter | #273 | |||||
To my enormous annoyance, I can't see this video, but I do remember seeing a screen-cap of it somewhere. It is one of the extremely rare moments when the very gentle Joseph Ratzinger was less than "cool", and I can't say that I blame him. It is never a pleasant thing, to have a reporter "ambush" you just when you're about to get into your car and hurry off to another appointment.
There is however, one other reason that may be behind then Cardinal Ratzinger's mild irritation. We are told that the reporter in question had inquired about the case of Fr. Maciel, a case that understandably caused much consternation when it came to light. Events that transpired at the US visit, coupled with Il Papa's very words, have shown us the depth of Joseph Ratzinger's pain over the abuse scandal. Mayhap in this particular moment, when documents about the Maciel case, and other abuse cases, were being referred to the CDF for action, Cardinal Ratzinger was becoming increasingly distressed over the entire horrible affair. The Maciel case could have been particularly difficult for him, given that John Paul the Beloved was known to hold the LC founder in high esteem; now that there was a case against Fr. Maciel, Cardinal Ratzinger may well have been wondering how on earth would he tell the Pope about these terrible reports, especially since John Paul's illness had already advanced considerably. Aside from the fact that John Paul was the Cardinal's deeply-esteemed "boss", he was also one of his closest friends - how does one break a friend's heart?
And then, this reporter comes along, with his intrusive and discourteous manner, asking questions about a scandal that itself is already heartbreaking for the Cardinal, and which he most assuredly did not want to talk about on a sidewalk … well, I don't blame Il Papa for being displeased. Thank goodness Msgr. Ratzinger was there. Proud to be Papist! "Each of us is the result of a thought of God. Each of us is willed, each of us is loved ..." - Benedict XVI "He knocks at the door, he is close to us and thus true joy is close, which is stronger than all the sorrows in the world, and in our life." - Benedict XVI |
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PaxTibi |
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I had heard about this incident and had seen the screencaps, but had yet to see this clip. I think that this must have been a incredibly intrusive and painful
moment for the very reserved and private Cardinal. There may well have been questions to be asked but I do NOT think that this was the way to do it,
particularly as the Cardinal's native language is not English. What is heartbreaking to watch is Cardinal Ratzinger's initial calm and happy demeanour
as he approached the reporter and then his subsequent anguish, as he realised what was being asked. Like you Unicorn, I think his anger is
directed more at the situation than at the reporter himself. I think it's a good thing that Monsignor Ratzinger eventually took action to usher his
brother into the car. I thought it rather bizarre that none of the other gentlemen tried to intervene, particularly when they could see how distressed the
Cardinal was becoming.
The fact that Pope Benedict censured Father Maciel shortly after assuming the Papacy, and did not send a telegram of condolence to the Legionaries of Christ, on his death, tells us all we need to know. "The truest beauty is the love of God, who definitively revealed himself to us in the paschal mystery." Sacramentum Caritatis, 35
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Benodette |
Pope's visit brings back memories for former theology student | #275 | |||||
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Many Catholics across the country traveled thousands of miles last week to see Pope Benedict XVI, but for one Stillwater business man and Catholic theologian,
the man now known as the spiritual leader of the Catholic church at one time was simply Professor Ratzinger.
Thomas Loome, owner of Loome Theological Booksellers, was a student of Benedict 41 years ago at the University of Tubingen in Baden-Wurttemberg, Germany when Benedict was a professor at the school. "I had been accepted and Joseph Ratzinger took up an appointment at Tubingen at the same time I arrived," Loome said. "For the first couple years I had access to Professor Ratzinger and would attend his lectures. He wouldn't remember me but I have a lot of recollections of him." Loome says at the time Ratzinger was already becoming an influence in Catholic and academic circles because of his intellect and calm demeanor. "He was very shy, soft-spoken and diffident in his relations with people," he said. "And I think he's still that way. A certain kind of diplomacy comes naturally to him and being principled, but talking kindly and he's able to make a lot more influence just by following his own personality." Loome said most classes he had with Ratzinger averaged 25 to 50 students who were taught in a small lecture hall. His interaction with
him mostly happened immediately after class if he had questions about lessons being taught or how to further study material that was taught in class.
Loome still has an inscribed photograph of Benedict on his desk to remind him of his early days, he said.
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Benodette |
A Missed Opportunity | #276 | |||||
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Recorded in a combox during the Pope's visit to the USA.
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Unicorn |
A Missed Opportunity | #277 | |||||
"I'm not going to stand in that line for a picture with a cardinal nobody is going to know 10 years from now." Well now, that is the understatement of the century! I'll bet that priest kicked himself in the shins and was speechless for an entire hour when Il
Papa was elected! Then he probably "cussed" himself a navy blue streak!
Proud to be Papist! "Each of us is the result of a thought of God. Each of us is willed, each of us is loved ..." - Benedict XVI "He knocks at the door, he is close to us and thus true joy is close, which is stronger than all the sorrows in the world, and in our life." - Benedict XVI |
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Benodette |
Forty years ago, young priest shared pulpit with future pontiff | #278 | |||||
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Nova Scotia News - Charles MacDonald can easily remember the student apartment in Germany where he entertained the future pope about 40 years ago. The
landlady always kept the place immaculate, but on the day Joseph Ratzinger came to visit, a carpenter was there replacing the windows. The landlady was
mortified, Mr. MacDonald recalled. But the visiting theology professor didn't seem to mind.
"It was almost like divinity was coming over," Mr. MacDonald said. "He was a respected man, but still an ordinary person." And that evening, Mr. MacDonald helped the man who decades later would become Pope Benedict XVI sound out a lecture the Dominion native had spent more than two weeks translating into English from German. Mr. MacDonald is likely the only Nova Scotian who has developed a personal relationship with the chief of the Roman Catholic Church. He believes he is one of only two Canadians who studied under Prof. Ratzinger. The Cape Breton man will travel to Rome this summer to meet with the Pope and a group of theologians. He plans to go over a few days early to video-record some of his memories of the man, a few of which he recently shared with a reporter over a cup of coffee. Mr. MacDonald, now 70, met Prof. Ratzinger when he went to the University of Tuebingen, a German school well-known for its two theology faculties.
Soon, Mr. MacDonald was preaching on one Sunday and his professor was preaching on the next. The two said mass together for more than three years.
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Unicorn |
Joseph Ratzinger, book lover | #279 | |||||
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I came across this little article from Il Messaggero, about a bookstore just a couple of blocks away from Piazza San Pietro.
It is the Libreria San Paolo, and I remember having seen it during my visit to Rome. The manager, a delightful gentleman named Marcello, has memories of a
certain cardinal who once stood outside the bookstore's windows, poring over the titles on display. I have attempted a translation of the article, and I
apologize for any errors. Here goes ...
Here is a photo of that particular portion of the via della Conciliazione where one can find the Libreria:
The Libreria, if I recall correctly, is on the ground floor of the building with reddish-brown walls, just behind the red-and-white bus that's crossing via della Conciliazione. I remember wishing that I'd had the time to go in and browse, but sadly, there was so much to see and so little time. In the end, though, I was able to browse through the John Paul II International Library, and it was there that I bought my English language copy of "Jesus of Nazareth". It's sweet to think of the former Cardinal Ratzinger standing outside San Paolo's display window, gazing at the new titles and thinking about which ones to buy. I wonder if it was the good Dr. Stampa, herself surely a lover of books, who would come and get the books he had chosen? There is a very special kind of quiet joy in giving thought to which books to buy, and I rather regret that the very gentle Joseph Ratzinger no longer has the chance to savor one of life's simple joys. Proud to be Papist! "Each of us is the result of a thought of God. Each of us is willed, each of us is loved ..." - Benedict XVI "He knocks at the door, he is close to us and thus true joy is close, which is stronger than all the sorrows in the world, and in our life." - Benedict XVI |
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